"An earlier hearing was told that Fearon, of Newark, Nottinghamshire, claimed that his injuries, which included a leg wound, had affected his ability to enjoy sex and martial arts."
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And British law guarantees all burglars the right to enjoy sex and martial arts.
The right to breed would be fine, if it weren't mostly the criminally inclined that are exercising this right (fear my gross generalisations!). But this line of thought always leads to eugenic horror-stories. This whole case has prompted a lot of questions. The whole principle of defending your property with lethal force has a slightly disturbing ring to it. I remember, as a child, frequent trespass on farmers lands, and the idea that the farmer might have the right to shoot me for that trespass, does not inspire confidence. Neither, of course, do I think that it is at all sensible to allow this burglar the right to sue. Hopefully the farmer will launch some sort of counter-suit and open the legal system to examination that way. Certainly, I'd much rather see a debate on the issues that this case raises, than a lot of reactionary press headlines and quotes from Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells (MP). Hmmm... I came along to make a flippant comment about this, and have actually ended up thinking about it. Hey ho.
The other option, which is clear to me from the statement of the judge in question, is that if it doesn't get decided in a court now(and English law is all based on precedent, remember), it will have to get decided at some point in the future.
Why not use this case to set the case law? I'll reserve judgement on the assness of the law until I see the outcome. Because it could just as easily be "No, you do not get damages because you were damaged while you were committing a crime."
Let's not cry foul about the result until we've actually heard it?
> Why not use this case to set the case law? I'll reserve judgement on the assness of the law until I see the outcome.
I wish I could hold out any sort of hope here and I would love to be proven wrong. Howvere, all my recent experience with the British establishment (councils, the health service, etc) lead me to conclude that there's something deeply rotten in the British state right now.
"there's something deeply rotten in the British state right now"
How theatrical! There are a lot of people working very hard in the UK's public sector. A lot of them doing a lot more good and being paid a lot less than a pen pushing "editor". The only rotten thing in the UK is the notion that we deserve great public services AND low taxes.
Obviously as you believe in the right of people to blow people away with shotguns you will probably favour some Yanqui corporate "I'm alright, Jack" society with low tax and no public services.
>How theatrical! There are a lot of people working very hard in the UK's public sector.
There are. My Dad was cared for by some of them. Others of them are doing great work for my Mum. I've had some good experiences of local council workers here, too.
I've also had some terrible, terrible experiences as well, of managers more concerned with protecting their own positions than the people they're caring for. Of people who take three years to sort out a simple problem. Of workmen doing cash in hand jobs with council materials, on council time. Of council officials who looks down on people because of where they were born or because they're female, or old.
I want Britain to have the best public services in the world. It saddens me that some people think that because they work in a coucil office they can slack off. They tarnish the good name of all the people out there doing a good job in the public sector.
> A lot of them doing a lot more good and being paid a lot less than a pen pushing "editor".
It's very brave launching a personal attack from behind an anonymous posting, you know. Congratulations. For the first time in the two or three years I've been using Livejournal I've decided to switch off Anonymous posting.
> The only rotten thing in the UK is the notion that we deserve great public services AND low taxes.
That's a pretty rotten thing, yes. However, if you believe that's the only rotten thing in the UK, you don't get out enough.
> Obviously as you believe in the right of people to blow people away with shotguns
Which I don't.
> you will probably favour some Yanqui corporate "I'm alright, Jack" society with low tax and no public services.
No, I don't. But then, your presumption was based on a false presumption in the first place.
Next time you feel like commenting here, check what I actually believe before you spout off and have the guts to sign your post.
All future annonymous posts of this nature will be deleted.
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And British law guarantees all burglars the right to enjoy sex and martial arts.
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This whole case has prompted a lot of questions. The whole principle of defending your property with lethal force has a slightly disturbing ring to it. I remember, as a child, frequent trespass on farmers lands, and the idea that the farmer might have the right to shoot me for that trespass, does not inspire confidence. Neither, of course, do I think that it is at all sensible to allow this burglar the right to sue. Hopefully the farmer will launch some sort of counter-suit and open the legal system to examination that way. Certainly, I'd much rather see a debate on the issues that this case raises, than a lot of reactionary press headlines and quotes from Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells (MP).
Hmmm... I came along to make a flippant comment about this, and have actually ended up thinking about it. Hey ho.
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Why not use this case to set the case law? I'll reserve judgement on the assness of the law until I see the outcome. Because it could just as easily be "No, you do not get damages because you were damaged while you were committing a crime."
Let's not cry foul about the result until we've actually heard it?
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I wish I could hold out any sort of hope here and I would love to be proven wrong. Howvere, all my recent experience with the British establishment (councils, the health service, etc) lead me to conclude that there's something deeply rotten in the British state right now.
Or maybe that's just Bristol...
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(Anonymous) 2003-06-17 09:41 am (UTC)(link)How theatrical! There are a lot of people working very hard in the UK's public sector. A lot of them doing a lot more good and being paid a lot less than a pen pushing "editor". The only rotten thing in the UK is the notion that we deserve great public services AND low taxes.
Obviously as you believe in the right of people to blow people away with shotguns you will probably favour some Yanqui corporate "I'm alright, Jack" society with low tax and no public services.
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There are. My Dad was cared for by some of them. Others of them are doing great work for my Mum. I've had some good experiences of local council workers here, too.
I've also had some terrible, terrible experiences as well, of managers more concerned with protecting their own positions than the people they're caring for. Of people who take three years to sort out a simple problem. Of workmen doing cash in hand jobs with council materials, on council time. Of council officials who looks down on people because of where they were born or because they're female, or old.
I want Britain to have the best public services in the world. It saddens me that some people think that because they work in a coucil office they can slack off. They tarnish the good name of all the people out there doing a good job in the public sector.
> A lot of them doing a lot more good and being paid a lot less than a pen pushing "editor".
It's very brave launching a personal attack from behind an anonymous posting, you know. Congratulations. For the first time in the two or three years I've been using Livejournal I've decided to switch off Anonymous posting.
> The only rotten thing in the UK is the notion that we deserve great public services AND low taxes.
That's a pretty rotten thing, yes. However, if you believe that's the only rotten thing in the UK, you don't get out enough.
> Obviously as you believe in the right of people to blow people away with shotguns
Which I don't.
> you will probably favour some Yanqui corporate "I'm alright, Jack" society with low tax and no public services.
No, I don't. But then, your presumption was based on a false presumption in the first place.
Next time you feel like commenting here, check what I actually believe before you spout off and have the guts to sign your post.
All future annonymous posts of this nature will be deleted.