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adderslj ([personal profile] adderslj) wrote2003-01-13 01:02 pm

An Unexpected Discussion

Last Saturday night, over dinner in the bar of our hotel, Lorna and I had a discussion I never thought I would have. We talked about emigrating. In particular, we talked about moving to the US. (Lorna is a US Citizen, with long-term permission to reside in the UK. She's technically dual nationality.)

People who have known me for a long while will probably be surprised by this. I love Britain and have always been proud to be British, However, I'm seriously beginning to wonder if the Britain I love exists any more. As I watch gun crime spiral, social security abuse increase and any sense of pride in the UK vanish, I start to wonder "why?"

Why do I stay? Why do I love this country? Why do we put up with this? More and more of my friends grow frustrated with the way the tax money they've worked hard to earn is being spent. They grow more and more frustrated with politicians who seems unable to do anything but chase short-term popularity or line their own pockets. When you start missing Margaret Thatcher, you know something is deeply wrong.

Our Government seems not to have the guts to deal with growing crime, fraud, managerial incompetence within the public services and immigration. We seem unable to make a judgment about what is right and wrong, and make decisions based on practical expediency rather than moral standards or any degree of political philosophy. Society is breaking down because nobody thinks in term of society any more. They merely think in terms of their own pleasure and convenience. That doesn't work in the long-term, though. If you put no work into maintaining the society that facilitates your own pleasure and convenience, you'll soon find that your ability to achieve them is compromised.

Do I want to sit through that painful process, or would I rather be somewhere that has already found some answers to these problems?

Don't get me wrong, I think America has some serious problems. However, I think, as a society, it seems to be fundamentally more honest than the UK at the moment. Yes, Americans are extremely interested in themselves and their own pleasure, but they are open about it and, wonder of wonders, they seem to love their country for giving them the freedom to pursue their own happiness. More, they seem to be happy to fight to protect those liberties.

It was only a discussion. We're very far from making any form of decision. But, for the first time, the option is on the table.

[identity profile] inscrutable.livejournal.com 2003-01-13 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
OK, one question. You'd move away from Britain because you dislike the rising crime and change in culture, and you'd move here?? Have you seen our crime and culture and the current administration's crusade against personal freedom? While the US is nowhere near as bad a place to live as say Afghanastan or Zimbabwe or Cambodia or something, it seems to me that you're saying "Well, I dislike the X, Y and Z that's here. I think I'll move somewhere with more X, Y and Z."

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[identity profile] adders.livejournal.com 2003-01-13 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think I'm failing to make myself clear. It's more a case of "if two places have identical problems X, Y and Z, but one has a better standard of living and more opportunities, which should I choose?" The answer tends towards the self-evident.

[identity profile] inscrutable.livejournal.com 2003-01-13 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmm... that one does make a bit more sense. I'd still say that our X, Y and Z is bigger than your X, Y and Z. But then I've been conditioned to argue that we have more of anything than other people do.

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[identity profile] adders.livejournal.com 2003-01-13 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
You more have more crime than the UK, but you also have better self-defence rights (see my later post). You certyainly have fewer dole scroungers, because your social security system is so much less forgiving...